asked Mar 30 at 19:52 by trybwguy (99)

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Hey guys,

the more i´m fiddeling around with bitwig, the more i love this daw. Wouldn´t it be great to have a simple function, what i call "Temporary Mouseover Mapping"?

The idea works like that: You can map one knob of any (Midi) controlsurface you want to your mouse. And it gets activated, when your Mousecursor is on any knob of your devices, plugins, channels ect. you need to adjust in this particulary moment.

So instead of clicking and moving your mouse up and down / from the left to the side for adjusting your values, you just turn your one knob, which is mapped to your mouse. I think this would enhance the workflow rapidly and fit into bitwigs concept. I think it would also feel great.

I hope you like this idea. Let´s vote for this and let Bitwig be the first DAW which implement this.

Thnx and Greets :)

Yes something like that would be nice. Maybe even simply enable the scroll wheel on the mouse to control whatever parameter you are hovering over.

However what would be really nice as the o.p. has suggested would be if you could set up one knob to be dedicated to this but I'd like to add that additionally having an encoder that could be used to "tab" back and forth through all the parameters in the channel strip highlighting this parameter that's enabled and then use the dedicated potentiometer knob to adjust the highlighted parameter. This would really trump using a mouse for this stuff and it would trump having a setup with one knob per parameter as that takes a lot of space and let's face it having to take your eyes off the screen isn't very efficient. I think that would be an interface that would be versatile enough to bridge the gap between all hardware setups vs all virtual setups.

I don't know about how to write scripts but it seems to me that Bitwig would be capable of this as some of the scripts are able to do something similar to this already but they map eight knobs at a time highlighting them in eight different colours which is cool but you still have to look at the screen and then look for the knob in that colour. Would so much easier is it was just one encoder to select and highlight the parameter and another to tweak the value... One hand on each knob and eyes on screen the whole time.

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answered Apr 14 at 10:37 by slackerluddite (56)

Yes, to have the mousewheel controlling the hovered parameters would alredy be a big improvement. The mousewheel only for fast/rough adjustements and combined with a key sequence (Shift + Mousewheel) for fine adjustements.

Could also imagine your idea with tabbing between the parameters in one track. Maybe with the mousewheel then and adjusting the values with your knob of choice. Maybe they implemtent at least using the mousewheel.

  — (Apr 15 at 16:59) trybwguy

I'd like to be able to do this with a Griffin PowerMate USB knob, for higher resolution tweaking than a MIDI controller, and a nice way to edit Bitwig / VST's compared to having a one knob per function controller which is slow and takes up space. If this could be done within Bitwig this would be the feature that would tie me to Bitwig. Similar to what the nOb device does (€200) https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/330654825/nob-one-knob-controls-it-all .

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answered Apr 15 at 16:22 by rpc (21)

edited Apr 15 at 16:23

Yeah...that´s definetly the coolest knob i´ve ever seen. And combined with thouch screens would be awesome as well, cause adjusting the values with thouch seems also a bit inaccurately, but i´ve never tryed. The nOb alredy has this function with "Drag Mode", but 200€ are heavy too. So yes...to be able to use this function with a Griffin PowerMate USB knob is an argument.

  — (Apr 15 at 17:16) trybwguy

Wow yes it seems there is a bit of a movement in this direction. "Nob" looks interesting. Also I think Microsoft are making a knob for the Surface and then there is KM Kontrol Master by Touch Innovations. But as always will any of this work in Bitwig?

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answered Apr 15 at 17:58 by slackerluddite (56)

I wasn't aware of the Touch Innovations Kontrol Master ($299 USD). That looks like a good option (like the nOb) that could work in all DAW software.

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answered Apr 17 at 18:44 by rpc (21)

Hi, There seems to be a software that will map a MIDI controller to do this very task already, called DFader http://www.deviltechnologies.com/index.php/dfader . For PC and Mac. There seems to be a demo version. I don't know if there is any way to alter/increase sensitivity if needed (I found the reference in a Gearslutz thread re the Touch Innovations Kontrol Master).

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answered Apr 17 at 20:36 by rpc (21)

Wow cool will definitely have to try Dfader could be the ticket!

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answered Apr 17 at 23:12 by slackerluddite (56)

So I ended up getting "nOb" a very expensive knob indeed and it works reasonably successfully when you are using a mouse only. But there are issues when using it in conjunction with a touch screen...

"nOb" works fine in all the programs I tested except Bitwig because Bitwig's bespoke touchscreen support doesn't move the mouse cursor when you touch the screen. So the "nOb" attempts to do a click-and-drag where you last left the mouse rather than where you last touched... so it a bit sad because I thought it would amazing to use. The good news is that it seems to work fine on VST within BW

  — (Oct 02 at 22:01) slackerluddite

For some reason nOb is a bit glitchy with u-he Diva... Not sure hwy but when I touch a knob in Diva I have to wait a second before twiddling nOb otherwise it flicks the virtual control to some random setting and doesn't respond correctly to nOb turns

Anyone else tried it?

I really do like the idea of having just one knob and a touchscreen especially for noodling on these synths that have too many controls to map in any reasonable manner

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answered Oct 02 at 22:01 by slackerluddite (56)

Hmm, if you already have mouse in your hand and you already moved your cursor over your knob, why not just tweak it with mouse instead of losing time and switch to a different controller just to do the same thing? Could you please explain what is the advantage?

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answered Oct 03 at 09:14 by Enrize (51)

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@Enrize

I agree with you that if you have spent the time to get the pointer into the correct position with the mouse it seems silly to then finish the job with another device but I personally feel that it does give you better control than with the mouse's click-and-drag especially when you are trying to play on midi keys at the same time which is how a lot of people like to "noodle" on a harware synth.

I've been obsessed with controlling my virtual studio with physical controls that feel like the real hardware that the software is inspired from and have found many limitations with trying to use midi controllers to achieve this...

  • there never seems to be enough knobs buttons and sliders
  • paging through banks of eight knobs kills workflow
  • the knob and buttons on the controller are in a totally different location to what you see on the screen
  • it takes a lot of time to set up and then you have to have the dicipline to stick with that setup long enough to capture it in your "muscle memory"

Because of all this the mouse still seems be the winner over midi controllers for many tasks but maybe a single knob with a touchscreen could be a better compromise... maybe.

I can testify that it's an enjoyable setup to use in Ableton Lite. Unfortunately Bitwig's advanced mutil-touch support is preventing me from moving the mouse cursor from the mutli-touch monitor so I can't get it to work within Bitwig but it does work with VSTs within Bitwig so not too bad for that .

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answered Oct 03 at 12:09 by slackerluddite (56)

Man I really want this. nOb is cool but it's not slick enough... you see the mouse cursor moving around and auto snapping back and it costs £199! for one knob ouch

I'm not at all familiar with Ableton but I was messing around in it to see if it had a better nOb experience and it turns out you don't need nOb in Ableton at least not if you only want it for instruments.

You can use one of the typical 8 knobs on a midi controller. It's not mouse-over so it does need a click but whatever you last clicked or tweaked is auto assigned to your unassigned macro knob. So if of your 8 knobs 1 to 5 are already "configured" then knob 6 is suddenly the "floating" on-the-fly assignable knob. Pretty cool. maybe Bitwig can do it with the remote pages or something or a modulator type thing like they did with macros.

Anyway I'm finding that even just using nOb along with the mouse is quite nice... anyone else have any love for this idea?

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answered Oct 12 at 18:06 by slackerluddite (56)

edited Oct 12 at 18:07

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