asked Aug 06 at 22:49 by Junker (31)

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Hi,

I like using Bitwig. Love it. But can you please upgrade the oscillators? The devices don't get the "punchiness" in the low end and it's hard to get that lush and creamy sound i'm searching for.

Thank you!

Ok, maybe it's a language barrier, but I don't think we think of the same thing when talking about 'oscillators'.

Oscillator is a base shape used to construct (or modulate) larger patches and there's really not that many ways how you can generate them and I'd think a pure saw, triangle or sine sounds basically the same in Polysynth, Operator, Serum, Massive, FM8 or Monark. There are small variations (like here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpvojvtWsSM), but you'd be hard pressed to notice them if not for the direct comparison.

I think what you mean is that - for you - it's easier to come up with more interesting ("punchy") complete presets in Massive or FM8, which might be true but it may also mean you don't know how to use Polysynth. With Bitwig (especially since v2), you shouldn't use just the device alone, but should combine it with modulators, FX chains and even layer 2-3 instances of it. When you open a Massive preset it will have few oscillators, few LFOs, step-sequencer, some effects, etc. so it's not like-for-like to do the direct comparison.

Also, you're comparing subtractive synthesis of Polysynth, with wave-table synthesis (Massive), analog (Monark) or FM synthesis (FM8), so obviously they'll sound different beyond the base oscillators.

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answered Aug 09 at 16:09 by antic604 (139)

edited Aug 09 at 16:12

Why do you think it's the fault of the oscillators?

The "punch" in the low-end is usually achieved by adding a sub bass (typically a sine), so you can for example layer two synth patches, one with main bass and one with a sub using the Instrument Layer.

The "lushness and creamy-ness" sounds like added noise and modulated filtering / detuning, both of which you can easily achieve with Bitwig's devices.

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answered Aug 07 at 10:41 by antic604 (139)

My experience: Massive does the job. Falcon does the job. (the best oscillators in my opinion) Monark does the job FM8 does the job. Virus does the job, etc.etc.

I experimented with layering various synth patches but didn't get the results. It was only possible by adding a sampled subbass as another layer. All I can say that designing oscillators is hard and there is room for improvement.

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answered Aug 08 at 01:09 by Junker (31)

BTW, check this video and tell me again Polysynth oscillators are lacking. And this is all without ANY modulators, filtering or FX/arps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzjwIh8wdBU

Just have to know what you're doing.

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answered Aug 10 at 11:58 by antic604 (139)

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