asked Aug 06 '17 at 22:49 by Junker (51)



I like using Bitwig. Love it. But can you please upgrade the oscillators? The devices don't get the "punchiness" in the low end and it's hard to get that lush and creamy sound i'm searching for.

Thank you!

Ok, maybe it's a language barrier, but I don't think we think of the same thing when talking about 'oscillators'.

Oscillator is a base shape used to construct (or modulate) larger patches and there's really not that many ways how you can generate them and I'd think a pure saw, triangle or sine sounds basically the same in Polysynth, Operator, Serum, Massive, FM8 or Monark. There are small variations (like here:, but you'd be hard pressed to notice them if not for the direct comparison.

I think what you mean is that - for you - it's easier to come up with more interesting ("punchy") complete presets in Massive or FM8, which might be true but it may also mean you don't know how to use Polysynth. With Bitwig (especially since v2), you shouldn't use just the device alone, but should combine it with modulators, FX chains and even layer 2-3 instances of it. When you open a Massive preset it will have few oscillators, few LFOs, step-sequencer, some effects, etc. so it's not like-for-like to do the direct comparison.

Also, you're comparing subtractive synthesis of Polysynth, with wave-table synthesis (Massive), analog (Monark) or FM synthesis (FM8), so obviously they'll sound different beyond the base oscillators.


answered Aug 09 '17 at 16:09 by antic604 (673)

edited Aug 09 '17 at 16:12

Why do you think it's the fault of the oscillators?

The "punch" in the low-end is usually achieved by adding a sub bass (typically a sine), so you can for example layer two synth patches, one with main bass and one with a sub using the Instrument Layer.

The "lushness and creamy-ness" sounds like added noise and modulated filtering / detuning, both of which you can easily achieve with Bitwig's devices.


answered Aug 07 '17 at 10:41 by antic604 (673)

My experience: Massive does the job. Falcon does the job. (the best oscillators in my opinion) Monark does the job FM8 does the job. Virus does the job, etc.etc.

I experimented with layering various synth patches but didn't get the results. It was only possible by adding a sampled subbass as another layer. All I can say that designing oscillators is hard and there is room for improvement.


answered Aug 08 '17 at 01:09 by Junker (51)

BTW, check this video and tell me again Polysynth oscillators are lacking. And this is all without ANY modulators, filtering or FX/arps:

Just have to know what you're doing.


answered Aug 10 '17 at 11:58 by antic604 (673)

I also have a difficult time getting enough deep sub bass out of Bitwig. Like the program a lot, but find the *deep sub freq aren't as present as what I can get out of Ableton or FL Studio. I'm using Dune CM to help with that but it doesn't rattle my speakers like FL or Ableton does, even when I boost w/ EQ


answered Oct 24 '18 at 16:48 by bookzfc (26)

Why such smugness? The FM-4 is sonically lacking when it comes to making FM sounds in similar manners to analog oscillators. Of course analog and digital FM sounds different from each other and they both have different strong and weak points. FM-4 (to my ears) could be much improved and I believe that it is within reach for the Bitwig team. I would much like to read about patch examples since I haven't managed to coax what I expect out of it. That doesn't mean that FM-4 is unusable, it likely has interesting quirks because of whatever idiosyncrasies that are bothering me in the first place.

Assuming that the OP doesn't know how to use the device is just low even if it is true. How do you create punchy basses with FM-4?


answered Nov 03 '18 at 20:11 by Holon_Mundi (51)

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