asked May 17 at 22:25 by hstanekovic (11)

edited May 19 at 20:12

In Bitwig, for instance when working with note (MIDI) clips in the clip editor, middle C is marked C3. However, many people (or most of people?) know middle C as C4.

Can you implement an option for choosing octave number convention?

It is very unpractical if you are not used to the convention that Bitwig uses, because you have to non-stop mentally translate octave numbers. For instance, when I'm in the process of writing a score in a score writer software from a performance that I recorded in Bitwig, I have to do this mental gymnastics all the time :( I do this process manually, on purpose (instead of export & import MIDI data), because I'm usually making many changes in the raw material along the way and this way works best for me.

EDIT 1: To further clarify, the problem is not in frequency. When I record from my digital piano, the musical notes are captured perfectly correctly, otherwise I would not be using Bitwig. However, I would like to be able to change labels on the left side of MIDI clip editor (and any other place in Bitwig where you can read note names). It is something that can be implemented as an option, something named like "Octave numbering convention: middle C is C3 or C4".

EDIT 2: I suspect that octave numbers Bitwig uses are probably in line with the MIDI standard but MIDI standard is in fact an IT standard. Music theory defines octave numbers differently. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(pitch_standard) which mentions A4 and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation

Hi there,

As far as I'm aware, there actually isn't a standard for numbering octaves and you can find different conventions across various hardware and software. Could you just use the note pitch shifter to offset the octave?

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answered May 19 at 13:01 by sticklebrick (469)

Thanks for the answer. I think I was not enough precise in the question. When I record MIDI from my digital piano, everything is recorded OK. I only would like to see a different labels on the left side of MIDI clip editor (so that I can more easily read what I improvised on the piano and write it in the score writter).

  — (May 19 at 15:58) hstanekovic

Regarding standards: I suspect that octave numbers Bitwig uses are probably in line with the MIDI standard but MIDI standard is in fact an IT standard. Music theory defines octave numbers differently. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(pitch_standard) which mentions A4 and also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation

  — (May 19 at 20:05) hstanekovic

middle C is conventionally midi note 60 which happens to be C4.

A440Hz is A4, note 69.

On my keyboards whenever I press an A4 I get 440Hz from Bitwig, unless the synth has an octave transposition.

Regards,

Fabrizio

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answered May 19 at 15:47 by fsciarra62 (1.0k)

Thanks for the answer. I think I was not enough precise in the question. When I record MIDI from my digital piano, everything is recorded OK. I only would like to see a different labels on the left side of MIDI clip editor (so that I can more easily read what I improvised on the piano and write it in the score writter).

  — (May 19 at 15:58) hstanekovic

Mmmm. Score writer should output midi note 69(a4) for the a in second stave space on treble clef, right. What does your software output? Fabrizio

  — (May 19 at 18:14) fsciarra62

And you might export the midi improvisation and import in rosegarden, to use its stave editor. Just a trick I use. Fabrizio

  — (May 19 at 18:18) fsciarra62

When I export MIDI from Bitwig and import it in the score write software that I use (that is MuseScore) everything is fine. The problem is that Bitwig names middle C as C3 not as C4. This is probably in line with the MIDI standard but MIDI standard is in fact an IT standard. Music theory calls it C4 not C3. Also there is ISO standard for this: ISO 16:1975

  — (May 19 at 19:46) hstanekovic

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